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The Secret Meaning Behind Popular Songs PT 2 - Haven Exchange #65
How often do you really listen to the words in your favorite songs? If you are anything like us then not too often. But even if you do, it can sometimes take a puzzle master to decode what the Artist intentions were in their own lyrics. Tune in as we review some of the hottest songs over the generations and decode their secret meanings!
Which songs surprised you about their meaning? Let us know!
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Welcome to The Haven exchange podcast number 65. And we have a brand new episode for you this week, a part two to one of my favorite episodes, the secret meaning behind popular songs. And I must apologize if I ruin some of these songs for you on this episode. Some of these were kind of rough. If you haven't checked out part one, check out episode number 28 For even more deep dives into popular songs, and discover their hidden meanings along with us. Alright, you're ready to be blown away. This is Haven exchange number 65. The secret meaning behind popular songs part two. This is the Haven exchange is a
Rick:no my daughter drives a black jeep. I'm like yes, that's what the fuck and that's the alarm that's going on. Is
Sage:there not a car? Yes. I mean, she doesn't have a car and like no, she drives a black jeep.
Rick:So she never came outside. The daughter never came out to check the alarm nothing. And literally the alarm was going off for so long. The alarm just stopped going off and then the other day it was just flashing lights. Right? But now there's another alarm going off. And my both cars are right in front of the building and it sounds like it's slightly in front of another building. So I noticed that my cars I don't really have to get up and check. But like I know even if it's not her whoever is being that is I know you hear that shit
Genesis:by we hear it
Rick:I don't understand how it goes on for this long. Right and it didn't dawn on anybody to go. So well like a car.
Genesis:I get nervous. Anytime I hear a car alarm go off like and I double check just to make sure I don't know the difference between mine and others. Like I haven't tuned myself to like, personally recognize my own car alarm.
Sage:But your car alarm is La Cucaracha
Genesis:Lactuca bad jazz. Yeah, got the big painted like, like an Aztec woman on the side of my Kia Soul.
Sage:Oh my god. Hey, is that see they heard
Genesis:and welcome to the even exchange podcast, a weekly podcast bringing you brand new topics each and every week with myself Genesis and my co host today, which are
Rick:car alarm, Rick.
Sage:Because how much I stressed I'm Greensleeves today,
Genesis:thankfully, actually could be a dope rap name, right?
Sage:I mean, there's a rapper named Blue face, right?
Genesis:Yeah, right Greensleeves blue face.
Rick:And I'm pleased to let everybody know that I'm actually back to Kojima Rick because the car long has gone
Genesis:you are never Kojima Rick. Oh, one
Rick:Metal Gear brick.
Genesis:This brick winter Rick. Rick Rick winter. That's the term
Rick:know what else what else? What else? What's another go on that? I don't know. Mechanic Rick,
Sage:game game mechanic, Rick. Unless you're wondering, this is what it sounds like to beat a dead horse.
Genesis:Where did that come from? Did we talk about that on that episode? beating a dead horse? No. I gotta look that up now. No, today we're gonna be talking about well, actually a part two to a beloved episode we did way long time ago, discussing the secret meetings or the deeper meanings behind popular songs. We went through a slew of those last time we blew Rick's mind especially because he heard them for the first time. And he was like, wow, these are good songs. And we said yeah, we know they're top of the billboards you dumb shit. So we have sage here with us who is our resident music expert, so we're gonna see if we can put him to the test
Sage:is really a bad prop you gave me considering I would just search for this damn song for the free First 10 minutes this damn thing?
Genesis:Don't worry, we'll cut that part out. We won't we'll leave it in. I specifically picked a couple songs that I know are some of your favorites. Sage, so I'll it'll be a bunch of m&ms. Yeah, I think you've just spent hours fucking going through those lyrics line by line, because they're so like, quick. And then they're impactful. Yeah, they're structured in such a way that you have to really take them word for word, and we're gonna be doing a little bit of that on some of the songs I've picked out. We're going to listen through them, broadcast them and analyze them, and all that good stuff. So we talked about this last time, though, as far as the process, like when you guys listen to music, how in tune to the lyrics? Are you even at all in the first place? Is it something you focus on?
Rick:Oh, not at all. For me. I have articles here. Like, I am a beat melody type list, you know, lyrics, I have to listen to it two or three times before I really start listening to what they're saying.
Genesis:Some of the lyrics to you just sort of, they're just their own instrument, and you're not really touching the English in them more. So just like how it combines with the melody and whatnot.
Rick:Yeah, yeah. Because when I listen to music, it's really hard for me to focus on the words, because I'm so fascinated by everything else. You know, I hear piano drum guitar all you know, I'm hearing too, so Well, right. And I think that might be one that the melody of everything is so overpowering, to the lyrics, like, I'll hear people rapping on songs and be like, Yo, you, if you want me to be able to understand what you're saying, You need to turn the vocals up. Because I can barely hear you with
Sage:the music. For me being the music theater kids that I am. It has to it starts with the melody. And then if the melody is good, then the next thing I focus on is song structure. Then from song structure, it goes to cadence, then from Cadence, then the lyrics come in. If those first three are on point, then I'll pay attention to what they're saying.
Genesis:Is that can that be done on a single playthrough? Or as it's as you're
Sage:listening? As you listen to it?
Genesis:Interesting. Yeah. So you break it down, almost mathematically, or at least in a mathematical sense.
Sage:Yeah. I mean, you kind of have to like one of my favorite music theater. Producers is the word is Stephen Sondheim. And the dudes song structures are some of the hardest songs to sing on this planet. But they're so damn good. Like, if you saw any tide if you've seen it swinging tide would lightful delightful Johnny Depp. Yeah, we're delightful. Stephen Sondheim did the music for that. And oh, the cadences and when you got to be right there. It's one of the hardest songs I mean, hardest musicals to sing live. Because you cannot miss a beat. And it's actually not a musical. It's a operetta. And for the people who don't know the difference between a musical and operator musical was a play where they just randomly break out into song. And operetta is a play where the story is told by the music
Genesis:Oh, see, I didn't I didn't know that because I would have I would have just said an operetta it's just all in Italian or another line because yeah, that's I was gonna ask like does does your like your process of like, familiarizing yourself with a song change depending on the type of music so like an operetta where the story is literally told to the lyrics does that mean the lyrics get pushed to the front of that process? Or you still follow the same structure?
Sage:Yeah, when the story is told the lyrics you have lyrics have to come first. Yeah, because I mean, if the story is shit like are you really listening to anything else?
Genesis:Yeah, I guess you're right now thinking about like musicals. They're not all just song and dance started to finish there's like the broken play aspects and then they they burst into song right? Like technically,
Sage:Rocky Horror Picture Show will be considered operetta, technically.
Genesis:Oh, okay.
Sage:I mean, it's not as rigid as a traditional outlet is, but the story is vastly told through the songs.
Genesis:Okay, so and I think we see that I mean, even in just in music, and a lot of what we're gonna find in some of the in the songs that I picked out for us to sort of analyze today is stories being told in the music and like, I think we could pull elements from I'm just even old school written work of like poetry and stuff where things are masked behind certain meanings symbolism, all that like storytelling, things that you know has evolved over the years and then incorporated into music
Sage:will we be hearing a song from the greatest literary genius of our time?
Genesis:Depends on who that is
Sage:with his groundbreaking classical Let me see that song.
Genesis:No, that sounds pretty straightforward. Meaning
Rick:I don't know why I thought he was gonna go with like, I like big butts. That was the first song that came up in my head
Genesis:we actually don't think one of the big surprising ones from the last episode was the Who let the dogs out in that actually meant that one was pretty great. And I'm trying to think of some of the others but either way we got we got a whole slew of these I pulled some from different eras. I've got more modern songs this time. Last time we I think we we stuck in the 70s a lot. So I've got a few from that that era and that genre of music, but I definitely have some newer music and some bonus shifts. So to kick things off first I'm gonna I'm gonna play a little snippet of it before we get into it and I just want to know if you guys can even identify the song in
Sage:a column and I think you're gonna play the weekend first.
Genesis:No, I'm not okay.
Sage:But as he changes songs
Genesis:he is on my list because for multiple reasons, one the song I
Sage:know exactly what song
Genesis:and also because Rick way, what are your the weekend? Right?
Sage:Knew is the Leap Year.
Genesis:The Leap Year that's it? Yeah.
Rick:Or j y con by the government?
Genesis:I don't know. That sounds weird.
Sage:Does that Hotel California?
Genesis:Thing ding ding Sure. Is. He noticed? Yeah, you do. Yeah.
Rick:I'm drama Blanca. Who does it all? No.
Sage:I feel like you should know who does this.
Genesis:Really? Well.
Rick:The first thing that came to mind. I mean, I don't think it's them. But because I'm so nervous to say anything.
Sage:Because that's not who I thought. I thought a different band aid that I noticed. But I thought differently. I
Genesis:didn't know what connection you were trying to make with.
Sage:Yeah, I 100% thought it was Chicago foresight.
Genesis:Oh, yeah. Okay.
Rick:Now this is by the Eagles. Nah, yeah. Oh, you say the they're good. That's not what I was gonna say.
Sage:Are you gonna say the Beatles?
Rick:Knew?
Genesis:That would have been embarrassing. So if it's not worse than saying the Beatles I'm curious
Sage:now. What were you gonna say?
Rick:You know, fucking I'm already deep in the hatred pool. Anyway, I was gonna say red hot chili peppers,
Sage:red hot. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Some of their songs that do take a lot of influence from Eagle so I can see that.
Genesis:And they did a song California
Rick:right they did a song right that I think that might have been why jumped to them first.
Sage:But you were thinking of Danny California. Danny. Yeah,
Genesis:that's that man and sweet Louisiana. It's my number one go to karaoke song.
Rick:People still do karaoke
Sage:religiously? Really? Whenever I do go out for karaoke the bars always packed
Rick:you know? I don't know why I'm surprised by that people still celebrate for 20
Sage:Like what is for 20 Karaoke have to do with each other?
Rick:It's not it's not what do you carry? I don't know. We haven't done it. I have not see there you go. That's why
Genesis:even sing in the shower. No, I
Rick:do not sing in the shower. You sing in the car? I do not know I mean maybe like if I'm in the car and I'm rapping sure
Sage:I can see dirt now
Genesis:and since he showers so often it's even more depressing because he poops and showers Hey. All right Hotel California by the Eagles. Do you guys have any idea already? What the song or what do you think the song might be about? As it stands from your your your memories?
Sage:From a memories I think NASM just because I'm planning lyrics through my head because I've never actually thought about it my deep level like then but just listen to it I will say maybe it's like a road to recovery
Genesis:Okay, good that's a good guess I guess given that you don't have them lyrics in front of you Yeah,
Sage:you know I'm just trying to think of trying to think of how the song goes in my head like a long day we
Genesis:had a lot of songs that came out of this era that were kind of about that kind of stuff
Sage:yeah I'm sorry are you playing the live version?
Genesis:No I don't think it is but that was definitely not
Sage:such a good song.
Genesis:It is a good song so what he's what he's talking about you know he's he actually is talking about going to this hotel throughout the song we hear him talking about the luxuries of this you know, I think the next bars this line is kind of important here right at the end of this
Sage:Rick's like never heard the sound game I
Rick:know I heard it but I'm trying to keep muted the alarm is going off again.
Sage:Are you also trying
Rick:No
Sage:Okay, so if you're trying to So is he trying to say like Hollywood is technically like the Hotel California and this could be the best thing to happen to me this could be the worst thing to happen to me but you know, I'm here for the right type deal
Genesis:Yeah, that's actually pretty spot on on what the intended like meaning behind the song is is that the Hotel California is representing basically Hollywood right and and the music industry specifically in this song then we see it kind of take a little darker turn when we get past sort of the the glamorous side of things and then we get towards the end where we can even hear this shift in tone in the song itself. If you remember once we start over here pull it back a little bit one sec. is good
Sage:now listen to Song masters.
Genesis:So you have a little different tone towards the end of the song here. Stab it with this nice but the just kill the beast had to find the passenger back to the place that was before Oh my god. So that's the that's sort of the dark turn right there. Yeah, you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
Sage:Yeah, cuz he's because you're in the public eye at that point. So yeah, you can really never leave.
Genesis:But what they're what I can also go into is basically the self destruction of the artist. And what we see in a lot of the music industry, you know, the overdoses, suicides, all that stuff. So you could check out whenever you want. I mean, kill yourself or destroying yourself. But you can't get out of the Hotel California.
Sage:Makes sense. I've never really listened to the lyrics. As much as I like that song. Never listen to lyrics.
Genesis:Yeah, I mean, it's a soothing song. And I mean, this is one of the ones it's pretty in your face. And like if you actually listened to the words for words, and a lot of times we you know, we hear the songs over and over again, it kind of gets blurred or we end up just being like Rick and, you know, becomes just part of the instruments. And so it all just flows and it blurs it a little bit.
Sage:Like how you also said, I'm gonna start modern, and this is a song from the 70s.
Genesis:Modern, I just had, I'm getting the some of the old school ones out of the way. But we'll jump forward a little bit in time here with that one, or from that one to this little ditty right here. and sage I need you to not guess first on this one okay this is this one's for you to guess Rick
Rick:oh okay
Sage:oh best album ever
Rick:that sounds so familiar what I can do as soon as you hit Play wise well why like oh my god
Sage:go to dreaming meeting seen as you want to stay but you know very well I want to go knock that the fucking tread the ground and I am walking know when it is cold outside
Genesis:you get the cars
Sage:understand what I'm saying
Unknown:like the title of Christ and asleep send the Masters is there anyone
Genesis:do you think Rick? Still no clue. Have you heard this song before?
Sage:Make songs like that no more
Rick:I have but I'm drawn. Dude. I'm drawing such a huge blank. Oh,
Genesis:dude, this is like a duel episode. This is another test for
Rick:let me create this party who I think it is. Okay, yeah. Cuz that sounded a lot like Adam living. Right? Hey guys, so I didn't know if
Genesis:there's Maroon Five? Correct? That our debrief
Sage:the song? No. on that album. Secret. If you ever listen to secret that song is way more harder to decode until somebody explains it to you than this. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Genesis:Well, what do you think this song means? Unless or do you know what the song means? Or what is about
Sage:I'm trying to remember the words that play water
Genesis:so this will we'll start with the with the lyrics here. Or I mean for the what the chorus here is there anyone out there?
Unknown:Is there anyone out there because it's getting harder and harder to breathe?
Sage:Okay, so from the first part of the song, well, then your entire album was called Songs About Jane. So I'm guessing Miss Jane bitch really fucked him over if you listed out if
Genesis:he's telling a story throughout the entire album about Jane.
Sage:But that's all good. Sounds like Yeah. He's almost he knows that. She's not that she's not worth his time. But he's still slowly he still slowly dying inside and doesn't know how to express it. So he's just saying, you know, just get out. I don't need you right here like but at the same but at the same time. Can somebody help me? Right.
Genesis:Um, so in fact, you know, a lot of people took this and I think it's easy to take this as sort of a relationship with a woman and that's, that's, you know, you're feeling suffocated right and getting harder and harder to breathe. You're feeling suffocated by this relationship. But in fact, if we if we skew this a little bit same thing with Hotel California the song is actually about the pressures of the music industry. Adam Levine he said in an interview he said they quote that song comes sheerly from wanting to throw something. It was the 11th hour the label one or more songs. It was the last crack. I was just pissed and wanted to record and the label was applying a lot of pressure
Sage:I call bullshit. For several reasons. Okay, one, the fucking second or third album, third track on the goddamn song. I mean, goddamn album. So you trying to
Genesis:record an order?
Sage:I'm aware that I'm aware of it. I'm aware of it. Secondly, because that was their first album, they were hungry. And they were all nice because you can tell the difference between their first album to their second album. The first time they were hungry shit, their second album not so much so the song quality dropped off. He's bullshitting. He didn't want to give that girl that credit. That she put.
Genesis:That's why you think he lied in the interview he's about
Sage:he did not want to give that girl that credit that she really We put him through and wanted to change up his story to make it seem like it was something more deeper than it was. Because I don't believe that for one bit, you don't name our album Songs About Jane and then this one this one song was about the music and the
Genesis:rest of the album to see something but we can we can listen on to through that lens. Now
Sage:I've listened to that album, maybe 25 Times front to back. Like I every song is pretty much talking about this.
Genesis:So let's just let's look at a few more bars from it.
Sage:Word to say that you're in the pillar when rather than in a negative way, hoping somebody someday would do your lack of dead understand what I'm gonna say.
Genesis:So what is the what are those lines mean, though, then, right there
Sage:when it gets cold outside, and it's no wonder there's no way we're gonna give up.
Genesis:When it gets cold outside and you got nobody to love you understand what I mean? When I say there's no way we're gonna give up. So if we look at that through the lens of the pressures of the music industry, right, he's saying, We gotta fucking push through this to get this done. If
Sage:you look at through the lens of somebody going through a heartbreak, he's talking to himself, like, look, I gotta get through this. Like, nobody's gonna fucking be there. For me. It's cold outside, I'm going through it. I'd been telling you that whole albums about a kick
Genesis:off. That's, well, that's the that's the fun thing about this. Here we go put some more bars
Sage:that has all the control. This is actually one of my Karaoke Songs.
Genesis:Says does it kill? Does it burn? Is it painful to learn
Sage:that it has all the control?
Genesis:Yeah, so I think you could maybe you could apply double standards to is
Sage:if the first album is first in his first music album, he would have almost zero control. So there's no way that will go. You have to you have to make a name for yourself before you can actually control anything on your first deal.
Genesis:Yeah, and a lot of what you're gonna see though, and this is what we mean when we mask we mask these meanings behind certain storytelling. I don't think the viewer or the listeners would would necessarily connect with a like an artist struggling with the pressures of in music industry. You're a fucking millionaire. What are you bitching about, you know, like, versus a rocky relationship with which we could all identify with? So I think it's we we can see the layers in there you know, and I think it's not outside the realm of possibility that there's the double meaning there you know, yes, this is about your relationship with Jane. What at the time of writing maybe he was feeling the pressures and that's where the inspiration of this relationship but the label or whatever now
Sage:straight up line.
Genesis:I mean, he said it so we'll take that as you wish.
Sage:I used to be a terrible singer. He just recently became a good live singer. He was only a studio singer. So what pressures did he fucking it? No, he straight up line right now when that interview well, you know, let me make myself sound deep real fast.
Genesis:That's every solid every
Sage:album after that album was close to dogshit any any real Maroon Five fan will say that that first album was their best hands fucking down. If that's probably see that a lot of artists though, right? No, not really. Because look at Eminem. His second album blows his first album out the water. That's true. But they were hungry. They wrote those songs because they were they meant it. He was going through some stuff. He put his feelings on the paper that had nothing to do with pressure because he what pressure did he have? You had no expectations. Either you make it or you don't at least you gotta shut
Genesis:Well, I know as far as like, the creative types. You know, I've I've talked with a lot of creative people mostly like, you know, artists, you know, not musicians. But when you there's a lot of pressure that can come from constantly tapping your creative wheelhouse. You know, a lot of times that stuff just has to kind of come to you and I can see that being the same for a musician.
Sage:That's why a lot of musicians when they write they write about look like especially like if they're going through a bad breakup. That's when they write their best fucking music. Look at the weekend. That man used to be sad man and music. Every song he was damn you're crying. Sam Smith, all his best song deserves a fucking sad song. Yeah, his Kim going through relationships. It's
Rick:yeah, you could make that argument with Usher too Right? Confession. Yeah,
Sage:confession that Oh wow.
Rick:You know who they say that about to a lot is a marriage a blog. Like when she's going through a breakup or heartbreak? She's the best singer out. Yeah, he's happy that shit is trash.
Sage:That's what ever do. That's what every artists, that's when they do their best work because they, they need to somewhere to channel all of that energy and it goes into whatever their art form is.
Genesis:But you could also say the opposite in that it's it's purely manufactured and that everybody can understand and relate to heartbreak and everybody likes to like humanize these superstars and the best way to do that is to show your vulnerability through it is through hardship it
Sage:is manufacture but there's certain songs here, this motherfucker meant that shit.
Genesis:But I like it was Jane a real person? Do you know
Sage:probably somebody in his past who we dated in high school assumption?
Genesis:Yeah. I'm curious if like, if he was going through this if he was actually going through a relationship at the time of this album, you know, that maybe could give some more evidence into the sort of face value meanings that we're we're reading through the lyrics. Yep.
Sage:Many of the lyrics for the album are inspired by Levine's relationship with ex girlfriend Jane Herman.
Genesis:named Herman. Yeah,
Rick:I'll actually use her real name. Like Kendrick Lamar. He was talking about his like, that was that wasn't her real name. You know, like people knew who he was talking about in his circle. But he didn't actually use her real name. Same thing. I don't think I was forever. Actually.
Sage:He never actually said her name. flat out said chili. Tell me. Tell me. I would think she was going through it. What you name that? You didn't lie about the name. He's put her name out there. He was going through it. He was going
Rick:for her real name. Yeah. I have. I might be on stage. Because the whole time listen to him. I'm like, This dude just cannot accept this. One song may not be about her. But then when I when you said that, that's her real name.
Genesis:That's, I mean, that's true. But Levine said it in an interview. I don't know what the means are like what the motivation alive would be.
Sage:Like she got the w plus NO plus, probably. There probably was some type of behind the scenes lawsuit that went down because of that, because he used her name.
Rick:Now I'm starting to see now I'm starting to think on the other side. And it doesn't make sense because if there was a legal case that wide leaves the name of the album. The album is about
Sage:that point that was already out there. No, they're not gonna be the one song I mean, that song isn't named Jane. The album is called Songs About Jane. And she didn't know what the album was before it got released.
Rick:But that's why I'm saying this one song seems is the one song where they're,
Sage:oh, there's no there's a lot worse songs in this where he goes in. That's why I'm saying she probably got she probably got paid out. It was like Alright, cool. We will we'll fabricate a story. To where no, it's not really about this person. But you Google it. Everybody's like, yeah, no, no, it's about this.
Genesis:Harder to Breathe. I just looked it up. The harder to breathe is the first track on the album. And then the second song is this love so maybe the rest of the album. Is the story of this relationship.
Sage:This love is I was so high I did not recognize the fire burning in arise. The chaos that control my mind. That's not a happy song. This love
Rick:Well, for the listeners that are still with us. Bear Bear with us. isn't gonna be karaoke with us. Absolutely. Absolutely not. I'd rather watch paint dry.
Sage:Yes. All call must get Heike like I gotta leave. I can't actually tell you he was lying in that interview. He was lying.
Rick:It's in the same topic. It's still about this chick Jane but does does anyone know why like what was she abusing him or some shit or like is it a toxic?
Genesis:Probably have to listen to the lyrics of a song.
Sage:If you listen to lyrics this Jane was a terrible person.
Genesis:That's also one side. One side.
Rick:We're not going to make a song like what's the name my name I'm sure we'll write Oh, like a song about him being a PA.
Sage:Every time I was in LA, I was with my ex girlfriend. Just letting all know, that was his last ditch effort. He's like, You know what? This is me.
Rick:Right? Maybe Maybe she'll listen. Right? Maybe she'll love me if I just bear it all out.
Genesis:Yeah. Let's you think that like, as far as Maroon Five, like when wouldn't you be pissed if you were not Adam Levine and Maroon Five. And like, this was just his relationship album.
Sage:Maroon Five, they've changed fucking members, probably like 10 or 12 times since they started. Because think about it. When you think about Maroon Five. You only think about Adam Levine. You can't name one other person in that group. Not only they are fucking replaceable. Just like fucking My Chemical Romance.
Rick:Now, I actually got one.
Sage:What's his name?
Rick:Mike. Oh, gerar.
Sage:Yeah, he got he got rid of everybody else. If he still goes by Mike, you're gonna romance and tours. And it's just him.
Genesis:And that's funny.
Rick:Now, let me ask you this, though. In in normal band practices, is it? Is it normal for the singer to be the only writer of the songs? No, like a collaborative effort.
Sage:A good portion of time is collaborative. Because if you got somebody who's just especially good at writing songs, let them
Rick:because that's what brought me initially I was gonna say, Well, wait a minute, how are we short? Jane? One person because obviously I've never heard the album. But how do we know one person if you know if the whole group is writing songs? And you know it's Adam Levine writing the whole thing then obviously, it would be about his life, not necessarily his drama. So
Genesis:that's why I'm saying like cuz I would be like, I'd be like, I'm representing my music my like, guitar my drumming is representing just this dude, the singers relationship the entire album. But yeah, I guess you could say that about any group. Right? But like you said, we don't know the collaborative like how collaborative are the lyrics? I imagine there's, they're all sitting in a in a room and they're like, riffing on each other with it. Like this would sound better with this. Don't do that. Don't do.
Sage:So like that was planted in my head, anything.
Rick:Let me ask you if if the Haven exchange did an album who would be the lead writer?
Genesis:Ah, that's a good question.
Rick:Do we have artsy make a guest appearance? Or?
Sage:I mean, I'm considering I'm the only one who's actually written music.
Genesis:I wrote rap songs before I repeat,
Sage:considering I'm the one who's actually written
Genesis:Okay, on to the next one. I got for you guys. Again, sage, you know this song, Rick? I doubt it. But let's I hope like you should know these.
Rick:Let's hear it
Sage:oh my god. Did you know Did you say the answer? I'm walking with
Rick:no, no. Hands.
Genesis:It is not answering. Nice try.
Rick:I have no idea.
Sage:Did you watch a movie in the 90s at all? Any any pick one?
Rick:That sounds really familiar. But
Sage:you can you can throw a rock at a movie in the 90s and this was probably in it.
Rick:Hilarious. No. Okay, so now I have no clue. Who is it?
Genesis:You've never even heard of the song.
Rick:i This sounds familiar, but I can't pinpoint what it is. And also, I would also like to point out the fact that I haven't seen a movie from the 90s in probably 20 years. So
Genesis:just the song itself. I mean, it was correction tampons. You
Sage:haven't seen a movie from the 90s in about 36 years. That's all
Genesis:still nothing Rick. Oh, again, I just am I am just surprised. I thought I was picking songs that you had absolutely You have known so you can help analyze
Sage:and understand you're not seeing movies, songs mean your pay attention. They just be on in the background.
Genesis:It's probably still played on the radio. No. Okay, so
Rick:it doesn't surprise. Like if, if I were to ask anybody who knows me longer than you guys have, like, I guarantee you, they'll be like, Oh yeah, I'm 100% confident that they're gonna know the songs because I am a creature of habit. I have my Apple Music Playlist, and that is what I listen to.
Sage:Drugs and hold on. Listen, that's not true. That's not
Rick:That's not true. I listen to all kinds of music. But once I hear it, like it's very hard for me to discover new songs. Sure. I don't constantly No, no, I mean, Kendrick Lamar. No. I listened to like real. Yeah, listen to real artists talking about real things. No, no, no disrespect to three, six, what?
Sage:See my and my problem with that type of music is I used to I used to be and actually I got same problem with r&b now too. But I used to love that type of music. And I think that's kind of why I like Eminem so much. They all end up talking about the same shit from a different a different perspective, but they do end up talking about the same shit. It's know how hard my life was, or growing up in the hood, or, you know, I don't need nobody. I can do this by myself, or shit like that.
Rick:Now, yes, but I think that's why I appreciate Kendrick Lamar so much, because he is talking about trauma, but he's, he's being specific with it. Yeah, I mean, like, his stories are real like about his uncle and mom. And
Sage:that's why I like Eminem, because Eminem was doing the same specifics. Now, same thing to point he was getting sued.
Rick:He's talking about real shit. That actually happened. Not
Sage:just like the only artists who they have to go and bleep out names in his album release, because he got sued. And you're like, you can't say this. What's already recorded?
Rick:Yeah, yeah. I think that's why I appreciate that. But, you know, I also like a good red shirt. You know, sometimes I just want to walk in full debit, you know, like, you just want to hear so
Genesis:that's what's great about you know, the, our music offerings. We have a little bit we can get a little bit of
Rick:everything right, like today. You know, I started off with a little Kendrick Lamar. And then I switched up the slipknot a little bit. And then I went over to three, six months, you know, like it's, you just have certain moves that you're in for like when I'm angry, like, I'm fucking frustrated by something that just happened. Three, six, walk that trick. Hit him on the fuck, like all kinds of shit. I just You got to burn that anger.
Sage:When I'm angry, I listened to Kim calm down him that the song came by Eminem.
Rick:I thought, Oh, wow. I never would have thought
Sage:because he's completely psycho in that song. And no matter how mad I am, I'm like, I'm not that mad. Maybe, maybe I should chill out.
Rick:With Eminem, you have a favorite Eminem song.
Genesis:Let's get back to the topic. You're gonna open up a Kojima rabbit hole with sage
Sage:tattooed on me, that's
Genesis:Renegade.
Rick:Oh, fire. God dammit, dude, this car alarms going off. And I feel like dude, have you all ever sick? No, I'm not gonna say it. No, I'm just gonna mute
Genesis:Well, if you didn't know the song we were analyzing next is Third Eye Blind. Some Third Eye Blind. By Greensleeves? It's the blind semi charmed life. Sage. What do you think this song is about?
Sage:I honestly don't know. I've never listened to the lyrics. I just always via that on the course.
Genesis:Add it to the tape. Well, this one's actually kind of interesting because it's so upbeat, and catchy. And the radio if you listen to this, which is you know, aside well I imagined the movies did this as well, but the radio edit out a lot of the lyrics that lended to what the song is actually about. So you're gonna hear some lyrics in here that you're gonna be like, How the fuck did I miss that? Well, it's because the radio edited it and I'm assuming the movies probably did too. So we'll take a look at some of the first couple lyrics here and we'll see if you can catch on what might be happening here and it might blow your mind a little bit. So the first This is the very start of the song right here okay right there the first line
Sage:barely understand what the hell you're saying not because I can't hear the song because he's not opening up his fucking mouth
Genesis:I'll repeat it so the first the first line is impacted I'm holding I'm smiling she's living she's golden. She lives for me so she lives for me Ovation her own motivation so the first line down pat and I'm holding that should give you a clue of what we're going to be diving into throughout the song mean she comes around and she goes down on me
Unknown:so
Sage:I'm packing them holding could be couple things. It could be guns.
Unknown:It could be drugs.
Sage:And she goes down and maybe he was a drug dealer and I mean she was a crackhead. She had no money so she has she has to do she has to do
Genesis:good things again interesting yeah well thank
Unknown:you whoever what you want to do coming over to you smile the world we go through to you like to go up and down the line I can tell you when the game is nice
Genesis:yeah we'll get there and then right after this chorus which is likely the line that gets edited out to do go back to that. Did you catch that?
Sage:No. What do you say man if you're just reading lyrics the dude ain't opening
Genesis:the sky was gold it was rose I was taking sips of it to my nose and I wish it could get back there I wish I could get back there someplace back there smiling in the kitchen is about drugs and then tend to hear that I
Sage:do it because you never look you
Genesis:know hang on
Sage:good because I never lift you up until you break
Genesis:doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break it won't say that. What do you say? Do you want that one more time?
Rick:Yeah, I heard that once you said it I never heard that clear. Oh shall
Genesis:now listen to the bars directly after that line then I'll pull it back a little bit
Sage:so now you saw my doing coat to keep saying hi Okay.
Genesis:I won't come down and cube start with a tic tac rhythm a bump for the top and then I bumped up I took the hit that I was given then I bumped again and then I bumped again
Sage:so he's dead right
Genesis:question I don't know how do I get back to the Jesus said how do I get back there to the place where I fell asleep inside you How do I get myself back to the place where you said I want something else hopefully we didn't ruin this for everybody
Sage:makes sense. Now the course makes a lot more sense now that I've actually listened to the lyrics
Genesis:so the songwriter of this he says he wanted to create that bright and shiny feeling that using meth gives people so that's why we get this very like Poppy uplifting like bouncy song because that's the feeling apparently believe in
Sage:I mean him makes sense now it makes a lot of sense now.
Genesis:Yeah, you might listen to this a little different if you were to hear this on one of those but again the radio took out and actually when I did look up the radio they are the radio radio edits and they sort of do this like the part where he talks where he specifically mentioned crystal Matt they scramble a little bit and then just speeds to the next set of lines. So they they cut out a lot of the stuff or at least garbled the specific mentions to drug use and so when we hear this we and like you said he's not even open his mouth so it's even hard to catch his lyrics but diving deep we see
Sage:what you're doing. If he probably was opening his mouth to the best of his ability
Genesis:that's a good point. That is a good point. Third Eye Blind so that is who's the lead singer? That is that Steven is Steven Jenkins. Okay. And
Sage:so many team moves
Genesis:just laminine crystal meth usage Good job. Hey go but doesn't look like he's dead. So maybe he was able to overcome that abuse Okay, so the next one I have definitely Rick knows
Rick:I'm you guys shocked you are still putting faith in
Genesis:Well, we've already brought him up several times already. So and maybe this is a little bit more on the nose as far as its meaning but still curious what you guys think and maybe for those listening might not have
Sage:a lot of people didn't notice what this song was about.
Genesis:I will then you will let me know that as well. So without further ado and I know she'll be the death of me. And she'll always get the best of me worst is yet to come. But at least the beautiful.
Unknown:Yes, I know.
Genesis:Is that the song you were thinking? Okay, Rick, who is this? That
Rick:is the weekend? I definitely know who that is. I have been told countless times I look like him. I don't see I don't say anything I think it's a little racist to be honest with you. Not all light skinned men look alike. Well, you know, okay.
Sage:No light skinned was the
Genesis:same thing I say when people say look like sec alpha neck is so fuck you.
Rick:I thought you're about to say Zac Efron all right
Genesis:all right. I shouldn't have opened this can of worms. I was leaning more towards oh but don't even wreck What do you think this song is about? Do you know what the song is about? Or do you have a guess?
Rick:I mean, with the weekend my first guess is a breakup with a girl or like
Unknown:I can't feel my face when I'm with you.
Sage:To the fact that this song was getting played in commercials kids were singing along to it they were to radio might not know what the song is about.
Rick:First guess drug to him him taking drugs and going with a girl to some party or club or some Australia say do
Genesis:you want to break it down with what you
Sage:saw? Absolutely none do what a girl that whole songs about cocaine sir. Yeah.
Genesis:Well, I think it is a little deeper than that. But yes, that is so this is about drugs. But this is kind of something that you know common did with I used to love her. And where he is talking about the girl but the girl in the story is his his addiction
Sage:and not know specifically cocaine.
Genesis:Cocaine addiction is addiction. The drug is cocaine but like the woman in the song is is the personification of his literal addiction. Like if I pulled this addiction out of them and it was a woman. That's what he's talking about. And I'm researching for this episode. And then listening to the song and hearing those lyrics that shit hits what Hey harder like when you know the meaning behind this I want to play it back a little bit from the start and we'll just kind of feel it again. So with that in mind I know which Yeah, I didn't know first first line right there and I know she'll be the death of me at least phenom like and she always gets the best of me the worst is yet to come. Always get the best
Sage:people for the song fucking Super Bowl
Genesis:I mean it's a good song but Jesus that fucking heads like when you think about an addicts point of view and I've been around so many addicts my life like like I just It told them a little bit you know? We both know we can't go without it.
Sage:I mean, it's a banger now
Genesis:and I can't feel my face you know?
Sage:Talking to in the club singing this song about cool some bitch i don't know
Genesis:I'm kind of mad that the most liked comment on the song is most talented pineapple I've ever seen. It's kind of bogus. To me the worst is all the misery was necessary when you're deep in love, like, Bach. That's like addiction right there. Right
Sage:try not to get up and dance right now.
Genesis:You're like, Fuck the deal.
Sage:I know. I knew it was about like, oh shit. He's really gonna know. I'm over that now.
Genesis:Did you know that? Like, right off the bat. Did you did you find out
Sage:I found out I think maybe a couple months after he came out.
Genesis:Yeah, and he just kind of pulled a
Sage:eureka moment. Listen to it. Oh man. Yeah, I'll do some shit. But man
Genesis:it's a beggar you're not into the lyrics like that. But does that does that change the song for you in any way?
Rick:Uh, no, not really. Because I don't have that much of a problem with detaching artists from art you know what I mean? Or I'm sorry I can detach them from the United mean like I'm No darling my words here because I'm nervous that this fucking alarm would go off again but yeah, like I It doesn't change my opinion at all. You know? It's a good song. Um, it sounds like he was battling an addiction pretty heavily. But it sounds like he got over
Sage:using your logic then would you publicly say that you still listen to it?
Rick:I will publicly say those not okay. Any day number the number is off limits that's the only solid right thing all right. This thing gave me a way to born with it and that track like they were gonna get
Genesis:into some of that a little later just as a warning that aren't Kelly but
Sage:you still listening are killing like what headphones?
Rick:Like there are some are Kelly's like, bro? I believe I can fly like No, like you gonna say tell me that. That's not a banger? No.
Genesis:Well, there was. There was one that I was going to put on this list. But then I didn't really have a whole lot of evidence, but maybe it's something you guys had already known. But another another sign that came up in researching for this episode was blurred lines. And I had no idea what that actually meant. But a lot of people call it out as Robin Thicke. Ah, yes.
Rick:Okay. Yeah.
Genesis:Blurred Lines is supposed to mean like, okay, right the blurred know the Blurred Lines of consent the age of consent. Oh, is it Oh, yeah. Whoa, there's a lot of controversy even today about like that song.
Sage:I mean, if you watch the videos be more controversy.
Genesis:That was something I came across too. But the only reason I didn't want to put it in as far as something for us to really break down is the lyrics themselves don't really showcase that. I mean, you could kind of get there. It's kind of more like just pervy dude. Like hey, that's almost toxic.
Sage:In music video cost him his marriage.
Rick:Oh, for sure. But I think he I've heard I don't know if you guys ever watched desus and mero. When they were doing their Showtime shit. Meryl was recently on another podcast and he was talking about some of his wildest guests. And Paula Patton was one of them. And Meryl was basically alluding to that Paula Patton is actually the wild one. And just Robin Thicke was just have a follow on her.
Genesis:Oh Ellen fair. I
Sage:don't think he was TV. How about your mother's TV's dead for a while?
Rick:That's funny. I didn't know it was about the age of consent, though. Yeah,
Genesis:I mean, it's just what people are talking about. I didn't I went to the lyrics a bunch and I couldn't really find anything to really support it. Aside from the Blurred Lines title and sort of the context of the song itself. But there was no like, lyrics like, Oh, she's 19, but could be 18. I didn't really know blued lungs wasn't like specific like that. But check it out on your own time that I didn't have enough really supporting lyrics to really go with the claim that a lot of people are talking about that song.
Sage:Did you know that? Because you know, Pharrell made the beat. Yeah, all the frills beats. The first couple bars and the beat are the same bar repeated.
Genesis:Like in every every beat the same?
Sage:No, not not the same. It's the same beat for that song. But it's the same bars repeated he does that on purpose, to kind of catch the listeners attention. Oh, interesting. Didn't notice that too. Somebody pointed out and I went back and I saw it sounds like soft pitch this motherfucker. Like this.
Genesis:It's a glass shatters and like reality is broken for a moment.
Rick:I mean, I'm going down this rabbit hole of blurred lines, and holy shit.
Genesis:Yeah. There's a lot of this discussion around that song.
Rick:I knew there was some discussion, but I thought the discussion was about, like sampling Marvin Gaye, right.
Sage:Hey, that was a whole nother thing too. Yeah. I thought I thought was stupid. I didn't I didn't hear Marvin Gaye in that song.
Rick:Yeah, I was stuck on that. I had no clue about this. I
Genesis:guess maybe I should have included that in the discussion.
Rick:I mean, he's talking about like there's one lyric that goes I hate these Blurred Lines. I know you want it do it like it hurt what you don't like word airy reavie
Genesis:It's crazy like it's it's fucking very creepy. Like when you don't hear it in like a soothing song voice you know
Sage:again, it's a banger
Genesis:I want I'm gonna think differently every time it comes on next though. Still. I don't know I guess I do kind of gravitate more to lyrics even though I don't catch them on first until like after like the weekend like I've listened to that song tons of times. Never knew. And now that I know like the deeper meaning of it I feel different listening to it. It means different things
Sage:too far down that rabbit hole. Sure, sure. It just came out and then you're like, Okay, no, I can't listen to this. But we were several several years later and I'm like yeah, well it is what it is at this point.
Genesis:I mean it's I'm guessing blurred line is not even gonna make your top like 50 Best Songs win a Grammy
Sage:I'm sorry about this
Genesis:that says a lot about our country but that's not like yeah,
Sage:no one wants several grand it won a Grammy you want to NAACP or Billboard Music Award
Genesis:that's that's probably also why it's also getting so much controversy because it had so many accolades like that given what it was you know, breaking it down what it could mean so the the next one I have up here I think this kind of runs on the same line as the weekend song bites let's see what you guys think it doesn't blow your eardrums out
Sage:used to know what the song was about
Genesis:Becky know the song Rick that want to know do you want to learn from the chandelier. CHANDELIER Okay, you got to know that song right, Rick?
Rick:It definitely sounds familiar. But look, okay, so I'm gonna be real with you and I I've been wanting to save this the whole recording because I don't want to be that guy. But it's really hard to focus on the song because I hear sage more than anything and I'm having a hard time understanding I mean I didn't want to be that guy that's like see Could you show me I can't put
Sage:music around you know what I'm gonna do
Genesis:still nothing no
Rick:I mean obviously she she's saying chandelier
Sage:get what it's about but I know she was going through it you can hear the pain in her voice like shut that shit.
Genesis:I'm actually surprised like you haven't heard like your daughter's listening because it's it's a popular song.
Rick:Yeah, well you know what again? I'm I'm trying to keep them from like no tick tock no YouTube and all that shit I'm
Sage:pretty sure if they weren't if he walked in his doors 123123
Genesis:That's gonna give you a clue right there I don't even know how to how do you pronounce her name sage properly is it saya See, I
Sage:don't even know who that is. And you know she's you know the reason she wears a mask is because she's older. Older she thinks she's like in her 40s but she was you know, when she came up she came up with that song. She was supposed to be a pop artist a young pop artist
Genesis:I see
Rick:that she's so they Yeah, she probably realized like
Sage:she's rather she's let me see see yeah is
Genesis:when you look that up so this is another one given what you just kind of heard I don't know how well you're able to hear the lyrics over saved but I didn't mind I have levels on my end to control y'all but
Rick:all I heard every song has pretty much been the hill
Genesis:he gets excited man
Rick:want to write out a phrase
Genesis:that you said I'm glad it was it needed to be brought up you know rah rah rah rah rah rah that's to say some so what do you think that song is about? Um and while he's gonna replace
Rick:replay I push it down right there sounds so much like Rihanna
Genesis:but I can see that field so her singing voice can kind of make the lyrics a little hard to understand I suppose.
Rick:I mean, just from that little bit i It sounds like maybe like a breakup or something and she's drinking to kind of get over it just see that Yeah.
Sage:Her second album is called Healing is difficult if that gives you any clue
Rick:Yeah, she's definitely getting over something and I'm assuming she she's drinking to help get over whatever that is. You're partly
Genesis:correct. So she is talking about her addiction to alcohol so what she's getting over because she I believe is recovered now and it sounds like that second album may might confirm that but yeah, that's what she's talking about in here is her addiction with alcohol and we kind of start with the first sort of lines where party girls don't get hurt can't feeling thing when will I learn I push it down push it down. And then the next set you know she goes into talking about I'm the one that's always called for the good time 123123 Drink thrown back till I lose count so she's this party girl. But she's really going through some shit and swinging through the from the chandelier she's it's basically I don't know if it's a metaphor. She really thinks from chandeliers but just I'm gonna live like tomorrow doesn't exist. Because it's all just in the moment here and she gets a little deeper into it. And again, you know, like knowing that this is about her battle with alcohol addict. couldn't find the words themselves stand out a little harder I guess at least for me they did they do now gonna fly like a bird to the night feel my tears as they dry that's dark that's pain in sage you called it like you could feel the pain in her voice so she's belting this out you know
Sage:true and that's why I think you can tell it goes full circle from that song to titanium and titanium you can see like I I made it through like nothing can stop me nothing holding me back anymore
Genesis:that's that's kind of inspiring to you know to hear that that just gave me some chills to think about if you think about so we just heard that but I'm holding on for dear life won't look down will open my eyes keep my glass fill until the morning light I'm just holding on for tonight. Help me I'm holding on for dear life like she's calling out in the plain plain sight hear me I think that's real deep and then and then the next set of do is think a lot of us drinkers know about that? Fame. So see a chandelier battling her alcohol abuse alcohol addictions.
Sage:When you listen to I can't even like okay, so she made it through. You beat it. That's let's let's delay excuse shout it out. But I can't hear where do you say I'm talking loud. Not saying much. I'm criticize. But all your bullets ricochet they shoot me down but I get up. I'm bulletproof. Nothing to lose. So fire away fire away. ricochet take your name fire away fire away. She's like,
Genesis:that's yeah, she's I have a lot more respect for her and her ability to to really tell these kinds of stories in such a powerful way. You know? I definitely a lot more respect.
Sage:She hasn't really put out a song. A mainstream song. Didn't like I've never listened to her album. So I can't tell you anything about that.
Genesis:Maybe she was trying to deal with her recovery and shit. Taking a break, you know, trying to avoid the Hotel California you know,
Sage:to California. She's from Australia. She's actually gonna be alright
Genesis:okay, this next one's a little this one's a quick one I just wanted to throw in here. I just only have a few more left. But this one i i think it was kind of interesting to um let me see where the started with that. Now we all have heard the song maybe not by the original
Sage:somebody somebody's in here
Genesis:I swear to god Rick listen you're gonna you might not know this artists but you had to There's no fucking way you haven't heard the song before?
Rick:You underestimate my lack
Genesis:let's see and we'll start right here
Unknown:You Are My Sunshine. My only sunshine really? Make me happy
Sage:when sketch Have you seen this like in kindergarten
Genesis:please don't take my sunshine
Sage:prefer Will Smith's version from Fresh Prince what he just up as the flower
Rick:Oh my goodness.
Genesis:Rick, please tell me you know those lyrics? Yes, I know the lyrics. Okay. Good. Good enough, because So, Johnny Cash. Yes, the artists Yes,
Rick:that's what that is. Surprisingly. I can Hello is him.
Sage:Not Johnny? Johnny Cash?
Rick:Not I'm not I haven't really heard anything of note. But I've heard enough to know what his voice sounds like.
Genesis:The interesting thing about this song is that generally the song just kind of ends there, right? We sing it to our loved ones, you know, parents sing it to their kids. There's the second verse called God say, are you familiar with this?
Sage:No, I'm not. But that being said, no second verse can be worse than the second verse to the fucking the political allegiance and that the Pledge of Allegiance.
Rick:I suppose the holy shit there's something in
Sage:the national anthem versus national anthem
Genesis:that's all I do remember something about that? I don't remember what they were. I do remember
Sage:the reason nobody thinks
Rick:larious they call it people hard hours and shit.
Sage:You're not far off
Genesis:well, let's check out the second set of lyrics that goes on with this beautiful song. You are my sunshine, which Rick? What does that mean? It's easy, right?
Rick:Yeah, he's probably talking about a girl right? Maybe a daughter or a kid or something like that.
Genesis:She could apply it to really anybody just anybody you love
Rick:God are you about to tell me he was like a pedophile or some shit?
Genesis:Because baby person Oh my god. Yeah, maybe he would have known by now Johnny Cash was a baby person.
Rick:I mean, times you know, kind of weird.
Unknown:Take my sunshine away.
Rick:Oh, as he told me I like liquor alcohol.
Genesis:Like I could see someone like the
Rick:only thing that makes me happy is booze. No disrespect to the job
Unknown:I've always loved you and made you happy. And nothing else could come between. But now you've left me to love another. You have shattered all of my extreme. You are my sunshine. My only you make me
Genesis:that's actually pretty depressing.
Sage:I mean, it's Johnny Kara. She's not really a happy person.
Genesis:But the song is evolved. I mean, maybe it's taken on its own form just because those the first set of lyrics that we hear is something pretty beautiful and that you can brighten your loved ones day you know by that. But a song is really about his whoever he's talking about leaving him and loving another person and crushing his sunshine.
Sage:That's honestly what I would have thought the song was about.
Genesis:Yeah. Oh, just from the even just from the original lyrics, I guess.
Sage:I mean, that's what I highly doubt, singing about a sunshine.
Genesis:But think of how many like children's toys that when you press the button singing those lyrics?
Sage:Let people change the meaning of things. Look at. Take Disney case. Look at Little Mermaid. Yeah. Or Viking beauty in the beasts. Those stories and Disney are nice and fun. The real stories are dark and twisted. Oh yeah,
Genesis:there's Graham Shay, right. That's another episode I wanted to do is talking about the childhood stories and they're like,
Sage:You need to go that far back. You'd look at Alice in Wonderland. Oh, yeah. It's a little trippy. But you know, it's a fun family movie. And you read through the looking glass. You're like, No, my kids are never watching this.
Rick:That's weird. Now, you know. Speaking of childhood stories are either of you excited to see that Winnie the Pooh? The horrible oh my gosh,
Genesis:I'm excited. I'm super excited. Yeah,
Rick:I think I'm gonna check. I thought it
Sage:was a joke. Then I saw the trailer and I was like, I'm here for every second of this.
Genesis:Yeah. It was like
Rick:something like this is some April bullshit. And then no 100% Real
Sage:that come out before October. If I need it, I need it for my movie night.
Genesis:Like that's gonna be a Wait, what is the date on?
Sage:I'm looking right now. I'm not sure Oh, we need to prove Blood and Honey ethnic
Rick:Blood and Honey Dude, that's hilarious.
Sage:does have a release date yet? At least a development from the field began. So they just started filming in January.
Rick:I mean, if it's shitty enough, they can get it out. You know?
Sage:They wanted to do it a long time ago, but Disney lost the rights to Winnie the Pooh in January. So that's when they bought the rights and started so they can make the movie
Rick:did Wait, do we know? Disney loss rights to a bunch of other stuff? Or was it just that one where they caught?
Sage:I'm pretty sure I'm surprised they did after winning. That's like one of the staples.
Rick:Because like some more Disney shit. That's like, you know, darker tone like could you have met not Snow White?
Sage:No. The real Snow White story. Yeah, that'd be dope.
Rick:Yeah, yeah, that'd be kind of dope. I love it you know that's also a little little ray people you know a little Rabee speaking on your bass fan or
Genesis:no just the next song I just really got to apologize because I I think I might be ruining this song for a lot of people say Do you might be already on on the in the know on this and it took me to really dive in into the lyrics on this to catch this feeling. But I think we're going to be ruining the song for a lot of people and I apologize for that. Um Are you ready? Yes sir. That
Sage:place I'm stupid. Of course.
Genesis:It's no it's not well Detrick.
Rick:I really can't say oh,
Sage:the good part about elf
Rick:Rick, you know the song. I know I've heard the controversy around it about also being a little rapey but I never really did any deep dive research on it. I just I you know, I've heard all the outrage when outrage culture was starting to take off
Genesis:yeah, it might be warranted because I think it's a little more than a little rapey say to you are you familiar with the controversy around? No, but I love that song.
Sage:So I apologize not gonna ruin the song for me again. Like I said, we're already down that rabbit hole
Genesis:let's let's analyze these lyrics I really can't so we got a conversation between two people. He's trying to keep her to bear start to saying I gotta go my mom's gonna worry. There will be pacing Dad's gonna worry. Better.
Sage:Who says scary 40s neighbors my
Genesis:daughter you can't leave Yeah, more than a little raping. No calves out here. I wish I knew I wish I knew how to break the spell. Yeah. To say no. I just say no, no, no, sir. I'm gonna say that. What's the sense inherent my pride it's worse I simply must go.
Sage:Joey is in his house.
Genesis:The answer is no. Well, yeah,
Sage:think about it too. This is it was completely different time and generation back then. I mean, it was completely acceptable to beat your woman. Oh
Genesis:the 100 acceptable from other taller man. I don't think the women were protected. I
Sage:mean, I mean they didn't like it either. They didn't like it, but it was it was just the common norm sadly but it was a different time people are different now it's not. They wouldn't go and fly. But yeah,
Genesis:the lyrics are pretty, pretty blatant. And we you know, hold this up as being you know, Christmas classic and
Sage:frankly my dear, I don't give a damn so now he's killing her.
Genesis:is so fucking creepy. Wait, no, I
Rick:grew up playing
Genesis:it. Yeah.
Rick:I really didn't make that hurt.
Unknown:window at that sister will be my father will
Genesis:be there at the
Rick:time to whisper a little bit
Genesis:he says it twice.
Rick:Like did you hear the way his voice changed? Oh, dudes. Weird. You free lead me up to your knees. You really? When you touch?
Sage:I mean, if anything to me, it sounds like he's been a perfect gentleman. He doesn't want her to go outside. It is cold. Like, you know, cars back then didn't work that well. It could have been a fucking blizzard. He's like, look, you can just chill here. I keep you warm.
Rick:Right? You hang out with me.
Genesis:That's sure that's one like how do you get around the way What was that in my drink? From the spell but
Rick:like Craig said though, like think or like sage said we know it's too late. But the times are different. Right? Because back then you could almost pressure girls into eventually saying yes. Now. You know obviously that's completely unacceptable. Like if a girl says no the first time you're done, you know, leave it alone. But back then, like I'm saying all that to say like I don't know if it's fair to scrutinize something based off of an 18 year old lens. You know what I mean? Like it's of course they're things that were bad. So
Genesis:very,
Sage:and also we knew maybe she really liked that drink. Never had. What was it? Maybe I want to make it again. Yeah.
Genesis:We'll write the lyrics. They sound a little pervy. Sorry,
Rick:looking at those lyrics right now, that is the creepiest shit I've ever heard. very
Genesis:manipulative. You're gonna hurt my pride if you leave, like manipulative.
Rick:Oh, yeah. You're manipulating her to, to do what you want her to do, even though I mean, she's said no. He said no. Like at this point, like, what are you doing? Like, give it up now? Not I'm sorry, not heard him. Give him give it up. Let me clarify.
Sage:Maybe he thought it was one of those. It was one of those times where, you know, she's saying no, but she doesn't really mean no.
Genesis:You don't need to defend it. Because there are
Rick:some guys that don't. Like, okay, I'm just looking
Sage:at it. I'm looking at a fair point. Like, first like when like women say No means no, no. doesn't always mean no.
Rick:Well, I don't agree with him there. No, it depends.
Sage:It depends on how they say no, there's a difference between No, stop it or No, stop it. That's a big difference.
Rick:I want to record this show that Rick has not said that.
Sage:Okay. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Rick:I don't want that. No, but like, I don't know the difference. Because like, I can't tell the difference anymore. And this could just be me getting old. But I can't tell the difference between a girl being just nice. Or a girl actually flirting with me. So maybe, maybe in this scenario, the guy's just like, you know, may have I? I don't know. I'm trying to get away that. I don't know how to.
Genesis:It's kind of hard. It's weird. It's very creepy. It is.
Sage:But also, again, just being fair. When does personal accountability come into this?
Genesis:She was trying to
Sage:No, no, she wasn't talking. She could have just left. At no point. Did she say he had no point. Did he grab her or anything?
Genesis:No. Well, we're talking I love The touch of your hand so he can would have been grabbing her that was
Sage:that was like in a second verse, she had a whole first verse to get the fuck out of
Genesis:the song is two minutes long.
Rick:One did this all come up? Oh shit
Genesis:1949
Rick:We're talking about when women were not people.
Sage:You're worried about what I said?
Genesis:Nobody say that I Genesis.
Rick:I'm not saying that I'm saying that's the reality of the times. Back then they didn't have the same mental, you know, thought process they have now where you try to achieve today, you're getting kicked in the day, and no one is gonna applaud it.
Genesis:That's true. Yeah. But what I think is important about that song is that she is she is she has a voice and she's using her voice to say, you know, a lot of the stories that we see that come out of that time is that they may have just sucked it up, you know, and he's doing a lot of convincing trying to get her to stay through this entire interaction. But she is saying no, no, no, no. And at some point, like, there is no more availability of personal accountability.
Rick:Yeah. I don't know. The song is very rapey. For sure. Like I don't know how clear
Sage:to push the envelope.
Rick:Push the envelope. What
Genesis:does that even mean? I don't know.
Sage:No, does not necessarily always mean no.
Genesis:Yes, I get what you're saying sage when you say no stop, or no.
Rick:There are two there clearly hurt. She wasn't
Genesis:playful. No, it wasn't
Sage:mean no one either. It was kind of just to what she said. Because she cuz she said she kept saying no. But then calling him baby. I'm like
Genesis:she was trying to be nice. She didn't want to hurt us. And he's like, No, I gotta go. You know, everybody's worried about me. And she's also she's also letting him know how many people know that she's there. So he doesn't rape and murder her. She's like my auntie, my mom, my dad, my brother. She's, I don't
Sage:see what would have mattered back in that day. Because you could move one town over and nobody would ever be able to find you.
Rick:What I want to know how many people when when it came out that this song was problematic? A couple years ago. I wonder how many negative? I mean, how many people were sitting at home and just started sweating bullets realize like, oh, shit, I've pressured that girl in this thing over and like that song is literally verbatim what happened to this guy. Just like, Oh,
Sage:guys these days? Well, most guys, I know, these days are different. Like if they had a chick over trying to smash. And she's like, Wow, no, no, I can't I want to know like, I bet you get up.
Genesis:Early, not the route. This guy took no, he was going D Hey, you're gonna get pneumonia and die if you
Sage:plan the car he was dealt.
Genesis:And whatever else he put in that drink, you're just assuming you're just assuming I it's she again. I am taking it.
Sage:Like I said she could have just really liked the drink. It also could have been something in the drink. But same time have roofie has really been around that long. Has date rape and been around since 1940.
Genesis:There was there was ludes
Rick:ludes. That's funny. The play loose. Yeah, no, I know. I know what you meant. Like, oh, my goodness, this song is I remember. I don't remember where exactly. I heard it for the first time. But I remember the controversy came out for the song. And I heard just like a little snippet and was like, Oh, I gotta turn this off. This is really pressuring very,
Genesis:it does kind of ruin the the elf scene for me with Zoe Dacian.
Sage:Did you see the only scene in the movie I like?
Rick:I guess they remade the song. Yeah, with Sammy Davis, Jr. and Dean Martin remade
Sage:that song with Lady Gaga. And what's his name? Tony Bennett, I think was it.
Rick:John Legend and Kelly Clarkson did.
Sage:Everybody's cast this before
Genesis:the notable controversy or?
Rick:No, I don't know. John Legend and Kelly Clarkson's versions was 1990 and are now 2019. Sorry, holy shit.
Sage:That was Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett did it in 2017. And then Michael blue blade did it with somebody. I don't know.
Genesis:It's again it's a classic Christmas song but listening to it word for word. I could see I could see some disdain for it and coming off Christmas playlists does a little it's it's very raping. I
Sage:mean, it is cold outside.
Rick:But there has been I'm kinda not comfortable with like, like there's been a remix of this song every year since 1998. Gotta
Sage:keep it alive. Keep by
Rick:Jessica Simpson and Nicholas che did one. Oh, wow.
Genesis:That's because I could sell the like the Christmas.
Rick:It's all every year. Yeah. All Christmas music
Sage:AGL and Lady Gaga did this all together. How many people she said
Genesis:Well, you might hear it a little differently now. Sorry, sorry, those listening to this episode that I just destroyed. Oh, I do apologize.
Sage:Oh, this is actually pretty cool. So for the Lady Gaga and Joseph Gordon levy version. He singing the woman's part and she's doing the guys part.
Genesis:Ah, oh. Okay.
Rick:Now here's you want to know what's funny though. The I think his name is Frank loetscher. He's the songwriter during the 1948 whenever harder. It's a lot worse, a lot worse. Oh, it says during the 1940s whenever Hollywood celebrities with vocal talents attended parties, they were expected to perform songs. In 1944 Lozier wrote Baby it's cold outside the sing with his wife at their housewarming party in New York City, and the song was made to indicate to guests that it was time to leave the song the song was created as an indicator that it was time to go. And it is one of the most rapey songs ever. How does that
Sage:sound nice? Well, because well
Genesis:I don't want my need to get
Rick:cancelled. It's all it says in 1948, after years of performing the song, Loeser soda to MGM in 1949 for the romantic comedy Neptune's daughter, Garland was furious. I felt as if it was a betrayal. Like I caught him in bed with another woman. Wow.
Sage:See, I told you. I told you it wasn't a no it was no I don't think his wife got mad. Mad and she said for like it was betrayal.
Rick:I was just gonna say it also won an Academy Award for Best song. Yeah. Pete says it was written in 1944 and actually published in 1949.
Genesis:And I don't know so the version we just heard though, wasn't sung by him though. That was Johnny Mercer and Margaret waiting waiting. So I don't know if he was just a writer or did he actually was the the singer was the original singer for it.
Unknown:Ah,
Rick:all I see here is just he was just a lyricist. So it looks like he just actually wrote the music. He didn't actually perform it.
Unknown:Oh yeah.
Rick:Cuz on here it says it was performed by me. It doesn't say actually. Yeah, just I didn't say who was actually some pie. It says it got popular by the movie Neptune's daughter. That's what catapulted it.
Genesis:Oh, okay. Well, there you have it. Maybe it's cold outside ruined for everybody except sage.
Sage:I'm just saying the facts are kind of more skewed in my favor. But okay.
Genesis:I guess agree. Well, if
Sage:you disagree if he wrote the software his life so the song and then his wife got mad that he sold the song saying it was a betrayal that they actually divorced her very soon. Because it sounded like you know, it was like he was sleeping with another woman. That wasn't a that wasn't a no I don't want to do this. No, that was a playful now.
Genesis:I'll just use your Adam Levine logic and say he was just bullshitting when he said that
Sage:he said or did his wife say theirs? Is the question.
Genesis:They were both bullshitting the size rapey live with it.
Sage:You just like to think rape in your brain. Everything doesn't have to be ready. The first rate, you can put any song until the connotation of right before Really think about it.
Genesis:I don't want to think about that.
Sage:I'm just like my favorite song Tevin Campbell. Can we talk? He's talking to shatter and that song did not know until last year.
Genesis:Was that other the stalker song? Kid was that Oh, I can't remember the artist now. Rem the one way it's like, clear that he's stalking somebody
Sage:Adam Levine was stalking and Songs About Jane the first the first real hit from that album was she will be loved. And you said I don't mind spinning every day out on a corner in the pouring rain. Just looking at your window.
Rick:Oh my god.
Sage:That's sorry. Bruh
Rick:You said that's okay. Oh yeah.
Sage:But people are eating. lapping it up with a spoon.
Genesis:So this next one, you will be forgiven for not knowing the meaning of this and sage is going to laugh a lot once he hears the song. So if you don't know what the song means, I don't blame you because probably nobody ever did and nobody took the time to actually analyze these lyrics. I still whoa Parker
Sage:gently Tenacious D or not.
Genesis:That was pretty fun and easy to understand. But I don't know I'll be surprised if Rick knows this but I seem to not be good at guessing what he's what he does know or doesn't know so let's just kick it off
Sage:fucking nobody understand this motherfucker
Genesis:Have you heard this song before? Rick
Rick:Do you mind playing it
Genesis:again and say give me the chorus
Rick:you know that sounds like I don't know if it's him but it kind of sounds like puddle of mud.
Sage:Only do the song lyrics can be in front of you and you'll still be like What
Genesis:are we're gonna try our hand at it because this is actually pretty interesting. I believe by stage I you've heard this before?
Sage:Before I've tried to even flow probably about 20 times I just can't do it
Genesis:even flows into concrete
Sage:talking about
Genesis:Yeah, I don't know what you just said. He's a little bit more coherent in this song. So I think we could pull the meaning a little bit easier. But this is Jeremy by Pearl Jam. One of my favorite bands growing up when I was into my mid fucking early 90s alternative. That's music. Oh, yeah. Anyways, so the song's called Jeremy. This song is based on a true story of a kid who had a shitty life bullied in school and he killed himself in front of the class. And we're going to explore that a little bit so the song starts off home drawings, drawing pictures of mountain tops with him on top lemon yellow suns. arms raised in a V lay in pools of Maroon below. I can assume the maroon below is the blood.
Sage:What? What type of drugs was he on? I just need
Genesis:yeah I would like to know that too Daddy didn't give attention Daddy didn't give attention to the fact that Mommy didn't care King Jeremy the wicked ruled his world so that the chorus today which I didn't know these were the extra layers because again who is that Eddie Vetter? Is that? Yeah, Eddie Vetter so the chorus is Jeremy spoken class today and what that is I guess a metaphor for is that Jeremy killed himself in class today because Jeremy didn't speak in class right like he's the shut in doesn't raise his hand and they kind of explore some of those lyrics a little bit
Sage:he said Jeremy's let
Genesis:Jeremy spoke in class today lately I remember picking them the boys seem to harmless little fuck when we released the lion you gonna fight with them gonna go into so that's that's the rest of the song is just repeating this chorus Jeremy spoke in class they tried to forget this tried to erase this from the blackboard. He
Sage:was just not a happy person.
Genesis:Again, this is this one was based on a true story. There was an actual Jeremy Yeah, who here's a 15 year old kid in Texas. And he was picked on bullied had the same shitty upbringing. And he took it 357 in class and killed himself in front of the entire English class. Wow. Crazy. And that's what I was saying. Jeremy spoke in class today. He never spoke never rose his hand. He was quiet. Jeremy spoke means like heat. That's how he spoke. He killed himself. Yeah. Dark. I actually liked this. I didn't know the meaning behind it. Because again, it's hard to understand that you better 90% of this. Maybe you could pull the lyrics as we slowed it down a little bit. Everybody's been
Sage:generous. Well, in case you were wondering, I did just look up what the hell even flow he was talking about.
Genesis:Oh, yeah, yeah, that's he was
Sage:describing the experience of being a homeless man who can handle panhandles to passers by for spare change.
Genesis:I got lyrics now. Because how, but it's probably very blatant. We just can't understand him at all. I love the TIC TOCs. To that like, like, if you see them there. They put the jumbled up lyrics as the he's singing in it's like, you know, bla bla bla bla. And it's like, I really felt that when Pearl Jam saying this,
Sage:my favorite. Adam Sandler back in the day in SNL, he did a whole skit where he was editing.
Genesis:Yeah. Adam Sandler is probably the perfect one to do that. Ah, okay, I only got I got three more. The next two. I think there'll be quick ones. So this one here, Rick, if if you don't know this song, I'm gonna probably just disconnect all communications with you for life. Oh my goodness. Really. Okay, Rick, please. Your friends still?
Rick:Yes, I tried to share Bob Marley. I guess I'm familiar with
Sage:what he's talking about.
Genesis:Yeah, Ziggy Marley. Okay, I should have been But if you really didn't want to be my friend, right? We all know the song. See sage this year? I think you might call bullshit on some of the things I'm gonna talk about the song. But what do you guys think this is about?
Sage:I mean, he clearly shot the sheriff but he didn't shoot the deputy. I'm thinking you somehow he did a crime but not the crime. He's getting accused.
Genesis:Okay. That's an interesting point. Yes, absolutely. I never thought of it like that.
Rick:I don't I don't know why. For the longest time, I thought he literally shot us here. Got away with like, you know, he was being not accused of something. But you know, a cop was harassing him and so
Sage:you put it like that doesn't even have to be a crime. He was just being accused of something that he didn't do. He didn't do something. Right. But I didn't do this.
Genesis:Right. Well, let's look at the his first the actual first set of lyrics. So you were able to get those lyrics? And understand those words. Yeah,
Sage:you lean towards the deputy.
Genesis:Yeah, so he said all around the whole
Sage:time when he tracked me down and dragged me in for killing of a deputy.
Genesis:He didn't shoot the deputy, right. No,
Sage:I didn't I didn't shoot it. Right.
Genesis:I didn't do it. I shot the sheriff. Deputy. Okay, so here's the here's some explanation of what's going on here in this song. And we have two two stories to go through about this song. And this is where I think you're gonna call bullshit on the on the ladder, but Bob Marley himself explains as to the meaning of the song is that shit drawn a blank shit so in response to a lot of the shit that was going on in Jamaica, first of all, he couldn't say he shot the police. So Sheriff deputy none of that naming scheme exists in Jamaica so first of all, he can get away with talking about shooting government officials police by simply changing out to Sheriff cowboy shit America shit. So that's that's the reasoning behind sheriff and Deputy terms being used here because he, he was afraid that he was going to get in trouble. Or even just not even be able to release the song. If you talked about shooting police given the like the turmoils of the what did they call the those government their government groups in Jamaica partition or shit I can't remember. So the warring stuff that was going on with the political scene, he couldn't use that. So what he talks about he's like I shot the sheriff and shoot the deputy is he's talking about kind of along the lines of what you explained sage but more so in the sense that and we can get this from the next set of lyrics here I swear was in self defense, right. And then later on right here said all of a sudden I saw Sheriff John Brown who was staring him down Bob Marley. And that so what he's talking about is he shot first because he saw the sheriff aiming at him, the police and so he shot first but when he says when he's making the statement of I didn't shoot the deputy. He's trying to basically say, I didn't want I'm not just out here murdering folks. There was a reason for this because he aimed his gun at me first. So this is a this is a song about police violence, right? Yeah. And that the police were aiming at him. But he shot and he's claim making that claim, but he wants to make it known like Hey, I didn't shoot the deputy because I'm not out here just to cold blooded murder people and And he goes on if I'm guilty, I will pay
Sage:See, I think it's funny. Like he was scared to say anything about the police. Then you fast forward a couple of years he got NWA fuck police. In America, yeah, America, still a place where were they were shooting us left him with and still are, but they were shooting us left and right.
Genesis:And look at how powerful in a lot of people's minds that song was though, to take that stand against a police friend who to release a song like that, you know, that that song was a huge deal in, in our society in the timing of it coming out in and it being the real sort of song against the man and that's they took the they had the courage to really get out there like that where Bob Marley, maybe he didn't feel is he could release something so blatant is that so he hides behind these terms sheriff and Debbie cowboys won
Sage:if they were like in
Genesis:that event, but uh, Ben, but now we're going to twist it a little bit. Because Bob Marley's girlfriend at the time of this song, who co wrote this song with him, tells a different story on
Sage:what she really shared.
Genesis:So the first explanation is what Bob Marley has gone on record saying this song is about but his girlfriend who co wrote the song is telling a different story these days and she is saying that this song is actually about birth control. And that the sheriff is the doctor in this scenario and again, it's against his religion for her to be on birth control. And there's a very interesting line I think outside of everything in this song it's kind of hard to really make that make
Sage:sense whatsoever.
Genesis:However Yeah, but let me play you these other lyrics that I specifically jumped past in order to come back to it here those are one sec find it
Unknown:is this love is love is love. Love that feeling?
Genesis:And this is right in the beginning of the of the song too. John, always glad to see you. Gosh, that Sheriff John Brown always hated me for what I don't know, every time I plant a seed. He said kill it before it grow. He said kill them before they grow. And so I shot the sheriff.
Sage:I still think that's the stretch.
Genesis:It is but given that his girlfriend who supposedly co wrote the song is saying that this was what it was
Sage:she currently or she or she just
Genesis:i don't i don't think i think it's verifiable that she co wrote. But the intent is something
Sage:would have listened to that. And knowing the pothead that Bob Marley was right.
Genesis:Right. Was he really talking about marijuana?
Rick:Right. I mean, who knows, they may not be what he was talking about.
Genesis:I don't know why he would change the story in a in a in like media interviews. But it's I think it's interesting to think that this song could be about that. And maybe that wasn't something he was really wanting to put out there like that. But she talked about how he was upset that she was on birth control and that she she wanted to or he wanted her to have his kids. And he's got fucking 20 Motherfucking kids. So it's not too far of a stretch to think that he might be against birth control. Yeah,
Sage:I mean, it's not that I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy that that consultation alone makes no sense.
Genesis:Yeah, it's hard for me to follow that. I just found it very interesting that there is there's potentially another side to the story. And that like I said, that lyric right there, kind of could put in it but I like you said I can see it both ways that maybe he's just setting up the story that the sheriff was pissed at him for growing weed but I don't know the laws in Jamaica if that if that was ever illegal in any sense if you couldn't grow marijuana or that I'm not too sure of if it was then maybe this is just the start of the story on why the sheriff was getting on his face and like aiming guns at him you know?
Sage:Well the sheriff was on the take and Bob was trying to you know, grow his own weed but the cartels in the area like to get it from us so you don't get it you know? That is fun.
Genesis:So Bob Marley, what a legend he was on my my list of one more album from our episode one more album what artists would we want to hear one more album from Bob Marley go and then one final song I have for you guys this one is I think a fun one Rick's never heard of it piece of shit car and sage I would be like unless you had done research on the song there's no way you knew what the song was about
Sage:it's not that great so
Genesis:let's see if you guys know this song you know the song stage
Sage:oh I think I do know the songs bout yeah
Genesis:okay
Unknown:99
Sage:Sing it in German there it is
Genesis:for the beat to drop got anything on this rig? No,
Rick:I sounds familiar like
Sage:I'm sorry. Sounds familiar.
Rick:I can barely hear it. It's kind of low. And I'm not I'm doing something maybe all with the audio because same as far louder than the music
Genesis:waiting for the beat to drop waiting for it to drop even more
Sage:I didn't realize that this big of a gap
Genesis:I know right there it is So Rick, you never heard of that. Right?
Rick:I know. I know. I've heard the I definitely heard that before. I'm not sure I feel like name artists.
Genesis:I didn't know the artists name well I kind of figured
Sage:if I'm wrong that that song I could be wrong but that song falls into the same thing as blew that lead up who died you know so yeah. The meaning of that song in 99 Red Balloons I think are the same
Genesis:What does any or
Sage:blue I believe that song was about Oh dear.
Genesis:Oh yeah if i od I will die if i od Yeah. No, that's not what this song
Sage:No, it is
Genesis:very far from many of those things. I feel like you're not going to believe me when I tell you what this song is about. I'm so this song is about how do I want to phrase this? This song is about the end of the world. And where 99 balloons are released. And different nations take it as a sign of UFOs and start attacking and in other nations think that nation is attacking them and it starts a giant world war ending in the destruction of the entire
Sage:planet and find a way to bring your foes into this.
Genesis:I'm just saying the lyrics here's the English translations for the first or the for the go to the second verse. So 99 balloons on their way to the horizon were taken for UFOs from space hence the general sent a squadron after them to give the alarm but they're on the horizon. We're just 99 balloons. And then it goes on and on into how the different militaries started attacking each other throwing bombs. And then the final verse here 99 years of war left no place for winners war ministers don't exist anymore and no one jet just today I stroll around see the world in ruins. I found a balloon I think of you and let it fly
Sage:normally
Genesis:So this song is by Nina 99 left balloons What if the music video has any like allusion to the but they're just playing in a field and she was walking around
Sage:translation I'm looking at didn't say anything about UFOs but it does say something about Captain Kirk
Genesis:That's That's verse that's first three look at the verse before that
Sage:yeah it says 99 This decision streets 99 ministers need to worry to worry super scary call the troops out in a hurry this is what we've waited for this is it boys This is war the President the President is on the line as 99 red balloons go by nothing about UFO
Genesis:those are the those lyrics are those are like five and six lyrics sure that from the beginning
Sage:I am at the beginning. Yeah, I'm looking at the beginning I'm working my way down they got the German lyrics on the left and the English lyrics on the left on the right. German lyrics There's a UFO in there in the second verse, But UFO for us may mean may not be what that means for them. Like so?
Genesis:I think it means
Sage:translations are different, sir.
Genesis:It's initials. Yeah.
Sage:initials. No. So the second verse that I see is not red balloons floating into summer sky. Panic bells and red alert. There's something here from somewhere else. The war machine spring to life up one eager I focusing it on the sky. We're not even on red balloons go by. Like it's just gonna. It's not a direct translation. I mean, unless we know somebody who speaks German.
Unknown:Oh, good.
Genesis:If you want to okay, if you want to sit on Neil UFOs fine lyrics I'm looking at say UFOs you're it doesn't change the story.
Sage:I mean, you're not wrong.
Genesis:regarded themselves as Captain Kirk. What a Captain Kirk do.
Sage:I've never heard of that person. Okay. They say some of us everyone's a superhero. Right. Super high tech jet fighters. What the fuck? I'm just gonna skate. I'm gonna keep to the German version where I don't know what they're saying. And I just say sounds. Yeah.
Genesis:Yeah, dude, the dude. All right, well, that's all the songs I had. For this episode of part two, the 17 deep meanings behind popular songs. Apparently not as popular. We probably got to close anyways, because Derek's running, got a war right now.
Rick:Not running out, or it's still running in the background. I never closed
Genesis:so I hope we didn't ruin too many songs for you guys out there. Or maybe enlightened you. What I what I find fascinating is that there's so many songs that just have these things if you just listen to the lyrics a little bit and a lot of the ones that we came across today, there's not really much mysticism behind them and there's not a lot of metaphors that we're looking at like the first episode we've seen a lot of the metaphors that you could have to you would have to take subtle jumps to arrive at some of the meanings that we came across. I think a lot of the size we came to today is very right there in our face. I think what's curious is that we see a lot of these songs being hidden behind relationships a lot of these artists are talking about their their issues that they're dealing with in drugs and alcohol even the relationships I'm curious though says what do you think about like like metal songs do you think like when they're talking about maybe death and murder and stuff do you think those are actually have hidden meanings to like much more niceties like they're actually love songs but masked by like I chopped membrane?
Sage:I mean they could be but I don't I try my hardest not to listen to metal especially Yeah, like it's not so much metal death metal. Yeah, keep that shit.
Genesis:I listened to a lot of that back in the day but and Rick I know you you mentioned you listen to slip on Are they I know Slipknot as a lot of love songs. Yeah, they just sound very aggressive and angry but they're like love songs. Yeah,
Rick:they have a ton of love songs that are like like, they love someone so much. They want them to get rid of their addiction you know like I want you to stay here I don't want you're killing yourself with this and then United mean it but when you listen to it, it's just you know, screaming blood The murderer and
Genesis:it's yeah, it's interesting how these artists can, you know, depending on the genre mascot and we maybe maybe in the metal universe there, it's sort of a flipped in the way that we see and like some of these other genres, and how they mask the true meaning or what they were feeling when they were writing in, you know, building the song at the time. Have
Sage:you ever heard staring at the sun by an offspring? How does it go? Maybe like, it's like a rat on the freeway. That's why I'm trying to find a way.
Unknown:Everyone's around.
Sage:But no one brings me down.
Unknown:I won't let a myth seem bleak. Yeah,
Genesis:sounds maybe
Sage:amazing. And he's talking about some real shit. But it's it's such a catchy song.
Genesis:Yeah, I didn't like I said the other so many songs that we could we can analyze like this. And really, you know, if you if you look at the lyrics, you can bring to light some of the differences in what your initial like responses to like, make your butt jiggle, versus like feeling sad, like the weekend song? That's just gonna make me sad. No, every time I listen to it, instead of like, wanting to dance.
Rick:Yeah, it'll definitely have you think, right. I mean, like I said, I've tried to, you know, try to separate the artist from the, but it's, it's a little hard when whatever they're being whenever they're in trouble for is reflecting in the music. Like you hear artists all the time getting in trouble for lyrics that they're the courts are using against them. Yeah, well to prosecute them. And, you know, I It's a case by case basis, you know,
Genesis:for sure. I think it is a case by case basis. And I mean, like some of the, like, our Kelly, MJ like, I think that's different Campton like feeling that some type of way about the weekend songs like, should I be, you know, having a good time to his pain, you know, or should I be feeling has been what was his intention? Was he trying to just make a, a bop song that people can, you know, feel happy about? Or what, you know, what is the artists intention for the listener? And that's something we don't really get from music. You know, unless you're following, you know, the interviews and you're following them. But I think that's something that maybe not a whole lot of people are doing, especially with MTV being nothing but you know, teen pregnancy.
Rick:Teen pregnancy,
Sage:I'm pretty sure you were just talking about something very deep and thoughtful. I would definitely listen to staring at sight.
Genesis:No problems. So thank you all for tuning in to another episode of The Haven exchange podcast. We will see you next week. Thank you all for tuning in. We love you. Even though Rick, we talking about you guys behind your backs. You know, that's just his ways. Don't worry. We're firing him soon.
Rick:I mean, that's not at all the case. I don't talk about them at all. The only thing I talk about is, you know, I'll save for the next
Genesis:episode. Was I supposed to hit the button? No, no,
Rick:I you know, I was gonna say that I've done not as too aggressive. That's yeah, that's way too bad. A little rapey. Yeah, I get it. No, no,
Sage:I mean, it is cold outside.
Rick:I mean, hey,
Genesis:how's that drink tastes Rick.
Rick:Luke, chalky as you measure.
Genesis:And with that, we'll see you next week. Bye.
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